MyDD :: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off

Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off

by brit, Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:45:42 PM EST

It's friday night. Time for some fun. Just as Bill Clinton defined his modernity by playing Sax, Barack Obama has defined himself as a newer generation in a gesture which some have wilfully misconstrued as the finger, but is just brushing the dirt off, like JayZ.

I expect flames. I expect charges of superficiality (yeah, like Hillary going on SNL). But if we can enjoy, which I did, Hillary downing those shots in PA, just enjoy for a moment the smile and the brush off in Indiana

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yel8IjOAd Sc&eurl

And if people think Barack is just jumping on the bandwagon. He was already on it already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFSVG7jRp _g&eurl

As a writer of fiction and drama (as well as non fiction) I never thought I'd heard a presidential nominee saying something smart about the arts. But his criticism of some of the aspects of hip hop and rap could apply to any other art form, and is as smart as they get:

"Art isn't just a rear view mirror. It should have a headlight out there"

And before it all starts with the rap excoriation, hey, hip hop is as American as hunting, guns and religion. You may not like it, or may only like elements of it, but if Hillary is allowed to celebrate shooting ducks with her daddy , then what's wrong with a bit of hip hop?

Tags: Primaries, Barack Obama, JayZ, Hillary Clinton (all tags)

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Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (2.00 / 1)

DUDE! He clearly thought Clinton was dandruff and he was like Head & Shoulders and he came in and dried up the scalp of the electorate. Haven't you been paying attention to MyDD's finest today?

by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:51:15 PM EST

Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (2.00 / 1)

I'm sorry. I'm British. I'm so uncool. I got it wrong. Of course... It was a shampoo ad

Because you're worth it

My bad

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:55:58 PM EST
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Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (2.00 / 0)

That's all right. It had a memorable line of commercials when I was a kid, where people wearing dark clothing had to wipe dandruff off of themselves (before using Head & Shoulders, of course).

by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:00:08 PM EST
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Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (1.33 / 3)

You can have your Bama-Z and the filth it represents. Many Americans who voted for Obama might want those votes back if they knew the words of the rapper he admires.

by Tolstoy on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:55:01 PM EST

Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (2.00 / 1)

I was waiting for the HIGH HORSE but it came so quickly. Listen to Obama critique rap in the second clip before you're so quick on your outrage.

And alcohol causes more domestic violence and crime than probably any other drug, and where were you with your reflex partisan moralising when Hillary was knocking back the shots.

Loosen up.

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:57:46 PM EST
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Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (1.50 / 2)

I'm beyond outrage. I'm utterly disgusted that my party would be bamboozled into even considering nominating a man with Obama's baggage. But wtf, they don't need my time, money or my vote anymore. They've got all those teeny types to offset all the long time Dems activists.

by Tolstoy on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:13:30 PM EST
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Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (none / 0)

Why are you beyond outrage? I don't get it. Hillary hits him with the kitchen sink, says McCain is more qualified, says he 'just had a speech' when it came to Iraq, and he does a brush the dirt off and you're outraged?

I really don't get it. Where's the moral comparison there? And if you're disgusted by Obama's baggage, my goodness, then how do you feel about Hillary's.

If your outrage is real and not faked, then I'd suggest something else is going on. It's not teeny types only supporting Obama. I won't list them beyond Kennedy, Kerry, Richardson, Reich... Please explain to me where all this anger of yours comes from, because I seriously don't see, beyond your candidate losing, that there is so much to be disgusted by. Sorry

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:18:06 PM EST
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Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (2.00 / 1)

you damn kids with your U-pods and I-Tubes, get off my lawn!

LOL, it IS my childhood all over again?

TURN THAT DAMN FRANK ZAPPA MUSIC DOWN, RONNIE REAGAN IS ON TV!

No wonder I thought my parents were so out of touch....

"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player

by WashStateBlue on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:04:32 PM EST
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Crazy filth that the kids listen to (2.00 / 0)

In olden days, a glimpse of stocking
Was looked on as something shocking
But now, Lord knows,
Anything goes.

Good authors too
Who once knew better words
Now only use four letter words
Writing prose
Anything goes.

If driving fast cars you like
If low bars you like
If old hymns you like
If bare limbs you like
If Mae West you like
Or me undressed you like
Why, nobody will oppose
When every night
The set that's smart is in-
Dulging in nudist parties in
Studios,
Anything goes.

Oh... that's from Frank Sinatra, off his "Songs for Swinging Lovers" LP.

John McCain calls it his favorite album. Many Americans might want their votes back if they knew the words of the hipster he admires.

Gawd, Tolstoy, what a tool.

by dannyinla on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:30:35 PM EST
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Re: Crazy filth that the kids listen to (2.00 / 0)

Psst... Cole Porter was teh ghey! (Checks urban dictionary.) He frequently had homozizzlesexuwizzle interizorce with his homeslices.

I'm beyond outraged. I'm waywayoutthereraged. It's like a supermassive black hole of outrage, only instead of attracting all matter through gravity, I just write about it.

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:35:42 PM EST
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Re: Crazy filth that the kids listen to (none / 0)

Funniest line of the week. Wish I could smack down a whole crab nebula of mojo on you for that one, especially the killer ending

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:42:36 PM EST
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an instrument would be better (1.50 / 2)

and Clinton on sax was not meant to be demeaning to his rivals like Obama with his (c)rap song. Also, mainstream working America liked Elvis, that Clinton played. Rap music isn't too popular with the working class, so you're not winning their votes.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:05:41 PM EST

Re: an instrument would be better (2.00 / 2)

What? Back to Tammy Wynette? C'mon, Hip Hop is a bloody global phenomenon, probably your biggest musical export since ELVIS.

Talk about cultural censorship...

But hey, you might not have heard, Elvis is dead. Or maybe he's a superdelegate. Who knows.

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:09:37 PM EST
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Re: an instrument would be better (none / 0)

rap is popular amongst those under 30, and while I absolutely do not dismiss young people, as they got Bill to the White House, we also need working/middle class whites, who do not listen to rap. We need their votes which have been eluding us for too much time.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:15:42 PM EST
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Re: an instrument would be better (2.00 / 1)

Course. And Bruce Springsteen has just endorsed him.

Listen to the second youtube clip. Barack's a Stevie Wonder/Marvin Gaye fan. Is there anything wrong with that?

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:19:42 PM EST
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i'm not talking endorsements, (none / 0)

I'm talking the kind of people you advertise to the American people you like. If Obama tells the country "I mainly listen to hip hop" he's bound to lose. Endorsements are just people saying "I endorse"

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:41:25 PM EST
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Re: i'm not talking endorsements, (2.00 / 2)

Play the second Youtube clip. He's a Stevie fan. But this is all too much...

I went to a White House Fellows gathering a few years ago, one of W's henchmen had just taken it over, and he came on with a full rock and roll band, and started singing all those let's fight songs from the 50s.

Guess he must be unpatriotic.

Are american voters really that dumb, have the culture wars sunk to such a low common denominator, that you lose the election because you don't like bluegrass (which I love BTW)?

This is beyond crazy, this is beyond identity politics, this is big brother meets anti elitism meets political correctness of the blandest kind.

Jeesh. And I just though I'd lighten up a friday evening

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:48:06 PM EST
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Of course (2.00 / 1)

Marvin Gaye sang about sexual healing. That is not a good message for america. We do not need to talk about sex.

/snark off

Student Guy=JoeMentum. No really Student Guy=JoeMentum, after all JoeMentum was an embarrassment so is Student Guy. This sig is FAIL!!

by Student Guy on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:41:48 PM EST
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Re: an instrument would be better (none / 0)

So have Wilco and Dave Matthews?

Springsteen has a very nice endorsement of Obama on his home page?

It's the OLD music folks that have endorsed Hillary like Elton?

Lots of current music stars were in the Obama video, I don't think he lacks for supporters in the non-hiphop genre.

"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player

by WashStateBlue on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:44:55 PM EST
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i'm saying he should (none / 0)

play their music more in rallies, not this r/b and rap he plays. middle america can't relate to it as well as even the other bands you mentioned who support him. he should also, if he was gonna allude to music, allude not to Jay Z, but other music that the white working class will appreaciate. We need them to win.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:06:39 PM EST
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Re: i'm saying he should (none / 0)

Tonight he played Country. How much more "down-home" do you want him to get, exactly?

by Capt America on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:18:27 PM EST
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Re: an instrument would be better (2.00 / 1)

I wasn't there for it, but wasn't Elvis's pelvis condemned by a broad swath of America? Have some perspective. There are apparently more sanctimonious prudes in the Democratic Party than I realized.

by mikeinsf on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:39:26 PM EST
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it was also his music (none / 0)

which almost all of America loved, black and white. To this day, Elvis is known as the man who invented rock n' roll, or popularized the style.

"there is nothing wrong with America that cannot be cured by what is right in America"-William Jefferson Clinton, forty-second President of the United States

by DiamondJay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:44:17 PM EST
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Re: it was also his music (none / 0)

Good catch with "popularized the style" because a lot of historians would dispute he invented rock. I have nothing against Elvis; I'm just saying every new form pisses off the elders and gets main-streamed later. arguing about artistic worth will get you nowhere, because you'll can never objectively prove your point.

by mikeinsf on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:17:14 PM EST
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Re: an instrument would be better (2.00 / 1)

And as a country and hip-hop fan, I have o say "I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die" isn't the most peace-loving lyric, yet no one questions any politician's association with country.

by mikeinsf on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:41:55 PM EST
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Re: an instrument would be better (none / 0)

that isn't elvis, but johnny cash.

by colebiancardi on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:48:57 PM EST
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Re: an instrument would be better (2.00 / 0)

Thank you. I know , of course. I was just saying there are plenty of music forms, rock, country, hip-hop, that have lyrics that might not seem wholesome if you think about it. I'm not really talking about Elvis specifically.

by mikeinsf on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:19:13 PM EST
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Re: an instrument would be better (none / 0)

Hold on... You're right. Maybe I should add some Bruce Springsteen. After all he's just endorsed Hil...

Shoot. Sorry. I'll try to think again

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:11:59 PM EST
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Re: an instrument would be better (2.00 / 0)

Um, you do realize that the primary consumers of hip-hop in America are lower-to middle class white males right? Its a good thing he stayed with Elvis and not anyone of the music form his genration I mean if he played Jimi, The Doors or Zepplin, etc then man it'd be really hard for you guys to go off on rap being horrible, I meran the message in those songs were generally far worse.

by Socraticsilence on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:31:06 PM EST
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Re: an instrument would be better (none / 0)

this is my favorite MyDD faux concern-for-Obama post ever.

Yes! Fear of a Black Planet -- it was real. I'm sure Obama will start wearing his flava watch necklace any day now. Maybe on his lapel.

P.S. Haven't seen hip-hop called 'rap', nor 'rap' called '(c)rap' since the late eighties. I think Obama should have to reject and denounce 2LiveCrew and the Fat Boys film "Disorderlies."

Fight the Smears!

by Lettuce on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:39:27 PM EST
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Using pop culture gestures.... (none / 0)

isn't a smart move, IMO. Some don't get it; it may come off smug.

by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:16:36 PM EST

Re: Using pop culture gestures.... (2.00 / 1)

Lighten up. And Hillary knocking back shots with hunters... how did that come off? It's cool that both candidates can have a bit of fun now and then. This primary season has been way too heavy

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:20:46 PM EST
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It didn't come off smug or elite... (2.00 / 1)

that's for sure.

by soyousay on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:46:44 PM EST
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Re: It didn't come off smug or elite... (none / 0)

Doing shots of Crown Royal sure came off as elitist, or at least rather unlike anything I'm familiar with as far as rural America and alcohol consumption.

That's expensive stuff.

by Capt America on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:20:53 PM EST
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Re: Using pop culture gestures.... (none / 0)

After a couple more shots, she was going to break into a chorus of "Free Bird" for the crowd.....

None of that Hop-Hip for that crowd!

"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player

by WashStateBlue on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 11:01:48 PM EST
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That is a nice (2.00 / 1)

move by Mr. Obama. Perfectly attuned to people my age which is one of his bases. Brush off the negativity.

I can appreciate that.

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by Student Guy on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:40:05 PM EST

Hey Brit... (2.00 / 1)

It is great that you are defending him and his actions. This is exactly the basis upon which we can have a discussion. Rather that casting personal insults, which is one way to have a disagreement, you have chosen to look at Obama's behavior, and make a defense on the merits.

I don't agree that his behavior is acceptable, because his tactic comes down to jeering at her. His hand jestures are rude and intended to be demeaning. If, as you do here, he engaged in a discussion based on the facts, and supported his point with evidence, that would be making a substantive arguement that is worthy of respect, whether his opposition agrees with him or not. The arguements could be made in a very strident manner, that's not the issue. It is whether it is demeaning. When he diverts the conflict by baiting of the other side, then he is carrying on in a disrespectful and insulting manner. That is what makes his behavior unacceptable.

Your post clearly lays out why you think it is OK to carry on in this way, and for many I am sure that it is. I feel that it is not the way a president should behave.

Some will bring up Clinton's scolding of Obama, her "You should be ashamed," comment. I'm sure you are not surprised that I think that was completely justified. The difference is that she was holding up the facts and confronting him with them, whereas here he is literally trying to "brush off" a direct encounter about issues.

by MediaFreeze on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:46:28 PM EST

Re: Hey Brit... (2.00 / 1)

I could also bring up her 'heavenly choirs' speech. But you and I know, in political terms, Obama has been restrained in attacking Hillary. He's kept the gloves on, out of respect, out of the awkward sexual politics of it, and because he doesn't want to descend to the gutter.

But this is really rich. You make a big deal about brushing the dirt off... when Hillary and her campaign have been sliming Obama for TWO MONTHS. I've seen endless diaries here, heard her campaign brief reporters over a range of smears by association, storms in a teacup, Nixonian tactics and Rovian talking points... Plagiarism, Wright, Elitist, and now incredibly Ayers

And you talk about respect? About being insulting?

That is arrant hypocrisy of the most egregious kind. But don't colour me surprised. I'm used to it here.

Anyway, lighten up. Hillary can knock back some shots, and Obama can shake off the dirt

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:53:53 PM EST
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I don't know this (2.00 / 2)

You claim we all know this.

Obama has been restrained in attacking Hillary. He's kept the gloves on, out of respect, out of the awkward sexual politics of it, and because he doesn't want to descend to the gutter.

My recollection is that he got extremely personal long before Clinton did, and his campaign has personally demonized Clinton on pretty much a daily basis. And the best and most fact-filled analyses of seen of the comparative negative campaigning of the two campaigns have come to a conclusion that is consistent with my memory.

I don't expect you to agree with me, but I do think you're not justified in assuming you are correct with a statement like "you and I know." I most assuredly don't know.

Now, back to the subject of your diary. You're aware, aren't you that the "brush-off" gesture has been around long before Jay-Z used it. It connotes, of course, dirt, which is what one brushes off one's clothes.

Given that Obama had been speaking of Mrs. Clinton shortly before he made the gesture, and had explicitly stated that she was "in her element," I really don't see how you can avoid the conclusion that he was equating her with "dirt," or saying that he was "dirty" because he had been in contact with her.

So I will give you the same challenge I made in another post on this subject, a challenge that is yet unanswered:

Fine me a single other example in all of U.S. history of a President or a major Presidential candidate using a rude physical gesture in reference to an opponent.

I double-dog dare you. Because I don't think you can meet the challenge. I think Senator Obama set a new low in American Presidential political history yesterday.

by Trickster on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:11:06 PM EST
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Re: I don't know this (2.00 / 0)

Your entire premise is wrong. He was wiping away the mud from the previous night's "mud-slinging." Mud was "flung" at him. Have you not heard of that figure of speech? Seriously, you can't be that obtuse.

by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:26:00 PM EST
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Re: I don't know this (none / 0)

It connote dirt... really..? Thanks for telling me that. I'm now completely appalled and disgusted.

Slime. Dirt. Smear. That's what's been flying around this primary, and only you and a tiny minority of Hillary supporters think the slime started with Obama. Nothing I can say will change your opinion. But fortunately other democrats ARE noticing it. The kitchen sink tactics were what explicitly turned off both Richardson and Reich. Hence those two endorsements.

And we'll see how the superdelegates drift. They don't seem to share your opinion either.

So this outrage is manufactured, or else completely myopic.

As for your double-dog dare... I'm happy that Obama can claim the first for this gesture. In the JayZ song it just means don't let the bastards grind you down. But go ahead. Make a song and dance about it.

When it comes to limbo dancing under the bar of primary ethics, you're just compounding the hypocrisy here.

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:32:05 PM EST
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Re: I don't know this (2.00 / 1)

I wish you would respect me to the extent of not continuing to base your arguments on the assumption that Clinton is responsible for most of the dirty politics, as I have respected you by refraining from making arguments based on my differing belief. I can assure you that there are persons beyond "a tiny minority of Clinton supporters" who share my view.

I'm sorry to see the Party degraded such that its putative leader communicates via physical insult.

I think I deserve better for my 36 years of service than to become, metaphorically, dirt.

Believe me, I'm not manufacturing anything.

by Trickster on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:10:50 PM EST
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Re: I don't know this (none / 0)

Nobody's calling you dirt trickster. I don't know where you get that from. And Obama was not brushing you off. He was brushing off the 30 minutes of ad hominem attacks on ABC. I say fair to him

I feel no disrespect to you since you are a private individual, and (as far as I know) not courting my vote or running for public office. But I have little respect for Hillary's campaign tactics and neither, given the tanking in her ratings from front runner to also ran, do the majority of Democratic voters. She started high, and has lost ground everywhere. That's a definition of a badly run campaign I'm afraid. And these last few months, culminating in the elitist accusation, is an echo back to Nixon's checker speech.

You have 35 years of service to the party. I respect you for that, and I'm personally sorry that your candidate has let you down.

But I would ask you to show me some respect in return. You don't know my connections to the Democratic party, or my service here. Regardless of what we know about each other, I have observed and been involved in US politics for many years. And I still have the same conclusion: Hillary's campaign tactics have been abysmal, and in recent weeks, desperate and dirty.

I find her campaign as offensive as you find Obama's gesture. But since no one can legislate for taste, then it's a private judgement, or a matter for intense debate.

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:28:29 PM EST
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Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (2.00 / 0)

I can't imagine why anyone could possibly care about what music Obama listens to.

You can't help what makes you wanna tap your foot or bang your head.

I'm betting Hill has thrown up the devil horns at a Sabbath show on occasion.

No way. No how. No McCain.

by freedom78 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:47:17 PM EST

Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (2.00 / 1)

Maybe in 50 years candidates will be required to disclose their Ipod playlists (or the future variant).

by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:50:50 PM EST

Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (2.00 / 0)

Agreed. I really don't understand why everyone's so bent out of shape over this. Then again, I always liked that song, so maybe I'm biased. Or maybe I'm too young to know better. *shrug*

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 08:56:17 PM EST

Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (2.00 / 1)

Srici. You're the Hillary supporter who always makes me think twice, and not to stereotype anyone.

But since this is a lighthearted diary, and we're on the subject of outrageous humour, have you seen Texas darlin's finger poke diary?

It's incredible. I mean that literally. Barack Obama is scuppering his chances of becoming the nominee by flicking the finger at Hillary when all the cameras are rolling.

This man cannot be president. Imagine him and that mad errant finger over the red button. He really must be a Manchurian candidate, and his elitism and love of hip hop are the nails in the coffin of his candidacy.

It's getting almost enjoyable round here again don't you think?

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:06:12 PM EST
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Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (2.00 / 0)

Yeah, I saw the fingergate diaries.. I now live in perpetual terror of Obama's rabid middle finger. If he's elected, all the world will come to know and dread that fearsome digit. Now I know why Obama wants to meet with all our enemies -- he just can't wait to flick them off in person. Then he'll crank up his stereo and play "Slob On My Nob" as loud as humanly possible, just to be offensive -- you know, for the hell of it. And then the terrorists will win.

In all seriousness, though, the idea that we're debating whether Obama gave Hillary the finger is just unbelievable. And at this point, I wouldn't even care if he did. Hell, if Hillary flipped him off with both hands while bellowing a stream of obscenities, it would earn little more than a raised eyebrow from me. I adore Hillary, I really do. Despite all the crap that's come out of both campaigns, I think she's wonderful. But I have to admit, the partisan bickering (on all sides) is making me ill.

Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.

by sricki on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:38:34 PM EST
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Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (2.00 / 1)

Yeah. I was trying to have some fun here. Like last saturday night when I joined a Hillary supporters diary for some shots.

Every time I think it's going to calm down here, it just gets a whole load worse.

Think I might have to keep away for a few days. The antagonism is strangely addictive.

Anyway, have a great evening. And don't give anyone the brush off - unless they deserve it!

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:47:35 PM EST
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Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (none / 0)

"Fearsome digit" - that's classic.

by rfahey22 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:49:31 PM EST
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Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (none / 0)

"I mean that literally. Barack Obama is scuppering his chances of becoming the nominee by flicking the finger at Hillary when all the cameras are rolling."

Holy God, I really do think Clinton Supporters are coming unhinged....

Maybe in the world of MyDD, No Quarter, Taylor Marsh, but let's see the AP, Reuters, ANYONE actually pick up Middle-Finger Gate, and we can talk......

"Well the danger on the rocks is surely past... Still I remain tied to the mast"...Don Fagen, Poet and Piano Player

by WashStateBlue on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 09:51:04 PM EST

Re: Dirt off your shoulder: Obama brushes 'em off (none / 0)

You missed the huge SNARK in my comment. I was kidding. C'mon... It's the most ridiculous story I think I've heard all primary season.

by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:03:56 PM EST
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Totally disgusting and (none / 0)

inappropriate behavior from a Presidential candidate. Remind me again is he running for Prez of the US or President of the Source Awards?

by LatinoVoter on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:11:04 AM EST

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