Nunn and Boren back Obama

Much has been made about other candidates foreign policy credentials, but those in the know keep on backing Obama. Former senators Sam Nunn and David Boren have just joined the list

Link to TPM

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm emo.com/2008/04/nunn_and_boren_back_obam a.php

I'm British with deep American roots and connections. I swung over to Obama last year when I heard him talk about foreign policy, and I always admired his brave out of step stance on Iraq in 2002.

It seems plenty of other people are waking up to him


Former Senators Sam Nunn and David Boren, in a joint statement, throw their support to Obama -- giving him two high-profile southerners that are both key foreign policy voices in the Democratic Party.

Both will serve on Obama's national security team, giving the Obama camp an effective weapon against the Hillary campaign's claims that Obama has not passed the "commander in chief test."

Their full statements after the jump.

Nunn:

   "America remains the strongest nation in the world, but we can only be successful in tackling our toughest problems if we gain cooperation at home and abroad. Our next president - working across party and economic lines - must restore and strengthen our national purpose, our credibility, our competence and our spirit.

   "We need a president who has the temperament of a leader - a sharp, incisive, strategic mind, a rare capacity for self criticism, and a willingness to hear contrary points of view.

   "Based on my conversations with Senator Obama, reading his book and his speeches and seeing the kind of campaign he has run, I believe that he is our best choice to lead our nation. Senator Obama, as evidenced by his words and his deeds, recognizes that:

   · We have developed a habit of avoiding the tough decisions and seemingly lost our ability to build consensus to tackle head-on our biggest challenges.

   · Demonizing the opposition, oversimplifying the issues, and dumbing down the political debate prevent our country from coming together to make tough decisions and tackle our biggest challenges.

   · Solving America's problems will require difficult choices and sacrifices and leaders capable of considering new ideas from both political parties.

   · On foreign policy and security policy, we must recognize that we are not limited to a choice between belligerency and isolation and that we must listen to lead successfully on the key issues facing America and the world.

   · Our next president must also recognize that the battle against violent terrorists, while requiring a prudent use of military power, is also a long-term contest of psychology and ideas.

   "I believe that Senator Obama has a rare ability to restore America's credibility and moral authority and to get others to join us in tackling serious global problems that will determine our own well being and security. I believe that he will bring to the White House, high principles, clear vision and sound judgment. I believe that he will inspire people to put aside extreme partisanship for the common good. I believe that he will awaken the energy and idealism of people who have never been active in public affairs, particularly our young people. I believe that he will also attract skilled, experienced and energetic people to government and will have the sound judgment to put together an outstanding governing team, bringing people together across old boundaries.

   "I believe that Barack Obama is the right choice for our nation. My own role in this campaign will be as an advisor - particularly in the field of national security and foreign policy."

Boren:

   "I am joining Senator Barack Obama's advisory team on foreign policy and national security because I believe it is my duty as a citizen to do all I can to help our country at this critical moment. Our strength is declining. Eighty-one percent of Americans believe we are headed in the wrong direction. We must act quickly to meet and overcome the challenges we face.

   "Our most urgent task is to end the divisions in our country, to stop the political bickering, and to unite our talents and efforts. Americans of all persuasions are pleading with our political leaders to bring us together. I believe Senator Obama is sincerely committed to that effort. He has made a non-partisan approach to all issues a top priority.

   "Senator Obama is also a person of sound and good judgment. He had the good judgment more than five years ago to warn against our involvement in this tragic and costly war. He also understands the need to repair our partnerships with other nations and to more effectively use diplomacy to serve our national interests.

   "It is my hope that in sharing what I have learned during my time in public service, I will be helping my country."

Update [2008-4-18 13:42:16 by brit]: I should have seen this coming. A friend of mine, former soldier, British born but now resident in DC, works closely a lot on defence issues with Sam Nunn, surprised me by raving about Obama a couple of months ago. I'm much more to the left of him and our opinions coincided. So much for destroying the big tent as Jerome opined only this morning.

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Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (none / 0)

Wasn't SAm Nun instrumentale in getting Don't Ask, Don't Tell passed? Is he not a Clinton hater from way back?

They are both DINOs.


by americanincanada on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:09:55 PM EST

Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (2.00 / 0)

Everyone who endorses Obama is a duped double-talking Judas and everyone who endorses Clinton is courageous, right?


by mefck on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:11:19 PM EST
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Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (2.00 / 2)

Snap! Great minds think alike!


by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:14:33 PM EST
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Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (none / 0)

Not at all...but gay issues are important to me. Especially when Obama keeps saying how he wants to repel DADT...


by americanincanada on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:24:39 PM EST
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Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (2.00 / 0)

You criticize Nunn for getting DADT tell passed (DADT was a Bill Clinton proposal), okay, get it.  DADT hasn't been that great of a policy, as discharges have gone up.

But then you are upset that Obama wants to repeal it (to improve the policy, btw)


by labor nrrd on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:58:05 PM EST
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Although I gotta agree not a big fan of Nunn at all, and too much emphasis is placed on endorsements.  

This is a presidential election, people will make up their own minds.


by labor nrrd on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:09:54 PM EST
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Or maybe Judases!


by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:11:21 PM EST
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Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (2.00 / 0)

As both of them are considered conservative Democrats, I can see where you are coming from on this... however, the term DINO has also been applied to most of the members of the DLC for their pro-business and pro-war stances, so it is a little confusing.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:15:20 PM EST
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Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (2.00 / 0)

Neither are foreign policy hawks. Indeed, both voted against the first gulf war. Given their constituencies, it's not that surprising that they were conservative on social issues, however Boren did express regret for his vote confirming Clarence Thomas.


by DPW on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:23:13 PM EST
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Yeah..  his apology for Thomas was one of the reasons he is "former"...

Boren was being considered for Sec Def under Pres. Clinton as I recall...


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:42:55 PM EST
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Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (2.00 / 0)

Georgia and Oklahoma...?

That's good to see....


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:11:13 PM EST

Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (none / 0)

Nunn and Boren were both Republicans in Democrats clothing. I doubt someone with their records will pass Kos and others' standards for who is a real Democrat.

Nunn was absolutely instrumental in upholding the ban on gays in the military.  Boren was completely in the pocket of the oil industry and blocked the BTU tax.  


by steveinohio on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:24:09 PM EST

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And Obama has made his positions clear on those liberal social issues

BUT DESPITE HIS LIBERALISM ON SOCIAL ISSUES

These two former senators will support him as the best Commander in Chief.

Sounds good to me


by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:27:20 PM EST
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Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (none / 0)

Riiiiight...they disagree with him on almost every social issue but they support him anyway...no other reason than he is such a great candidate.../snark


by americanincanada on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:13:06 PM EST
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Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (2.00 / 0)

The significance of these endorsements concerns foreign policy much more than social/domestic issues. And on foreign policy, these two are not hawks. Both voted against the first gulf war, in fact (I'm not sure I would agree with those votes, but it demonstrates a healthy reluctance to start killing people).


by DPW on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:32:48 PM EST
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Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (2.00 / 0)

Must Clinton supporters attack every person to endorse Obama?


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:37:27 PM EST
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Obviously (none / 0)

And the list is getting longer.


by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:39:06 PM EST
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When Obama wraps this thing up (2.00 / 0)

they will look awfully foolish, especially when Hillary is out campaigning for Obama, which she has said she will do.


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:40:40 PM EST
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Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (none / 0)

Must Obama supporters treat every endorsement as breathlessly important?


by steveinohio on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 04:14:16 PM EST
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Well not the Nation of Islam endorsement


Bring Back MyDD - Just say No to Rec'ing Candidate Diaries.
by CardBoard on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 04:56:29 PM EST
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Nunn, Boren now demon spawn (2.00 / 1)

Carville will be along shortly to call them names.


by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:38:30 PM EST

Re: Nunn, Boren now demon spawn (none / 0)

And if they joint the ranks of Judases...

Doesn't that make Hillary the Messiah?

OMG - I'm so offended, it's a cult, it's scary etc etc. ad nauseum


by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:45:20 PM EST
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I love it!Now I see Nunn and Boren are the great poster boys for progressives?? I bet Kossacks like you are very proud that they are anti gay and anti choice!


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:44:45 PM EST

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That's the definition of LAME. Anyway, I thought Obama was too much of an elitist liberal. Which flip flop attack would you like to use today?

Did Jerome whine about it this morning: it's a big tent. Stop accusing Hillary of republican attacks.

Two top foreign policy politicians support Obama for Commander in Chief. Get over it.


by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:47:33 PM EST
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Yes I am sure they would make great guests on
SS Obama (titanic) before it sinks big time in November. Good I am sure he would lose in a landslide.
You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:53:24 PM EST
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You're happy if Obama loses in a landslide?

You sure you're on the right site? This is a progressive democratic blog you know. Free Republic is off to the right somewhere.


by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:03:19 PM EST
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And you are suggesting that Boren and Nunn are progressive?? They are Dinos!!! They are backing Obama because he is sure to lose.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:07:22 PM EST
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Really (none / 0)

These DINOs want him to lose! That's why they're supporting him. How clever!

On that reasoning, you should support Obama too

Good I am sure he would lose in a landslide.

I can hear the rustle of tin foil. Or is that desperation?


by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:20:46 PM EST
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Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (2.00 / 1)

No, I'm sure they think he is going to win the nomination. They would never get a job from Clinton, so they are just hoping he wins in the fall, and they get to sit on some sort of whitewash blue-ribbon commission. If he loses then they can always kiss up to McCain. It's the obvious move for them.

Reich, on the other hand, like Richardson, is gunning for a real job. He's made a deal to stick the knife in Clinton's back. Just the kind of guy we need in a cabinet position.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:27:30 PM EST
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But weren't you the one who said Obama wasn't tough enough, and couldn't fight? That he was an empty suit with just the hot air of hope to support him.

And if he counters the kitchen sink, he's bullying.

And if he gets endorsements from senior dems and superdelegates, they're sticking in the knife?

I thought the Clintons loved a good fight. If so, quit whining about losing.


by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:33:33 PM EST
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Oh, the three dimensional chess (2.00 / 0)

game these treacherous dems are playing!  It's just too subtle for you Obama supporters.  Can't you see it?  Why, oh why can't you see it?


by ReillyDiefenbach on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:43:57 PM EST
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Um, what about Reich endorsing Obama today? (2.00 / 0)

What's your problem with him? Too liberal?

Hilarious...


by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:49:22 PM EST
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Re: Um, what about Reich endorsing Obama today? (none / 0)

Who in the world cares about Reich's endorsement?


by steveinohio on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 04:27:49 PM EST
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Of course! (none / 0)

The only endorsements anyone cares about are the ones Hillary gets!


by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 04:44:03 PM EST
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They're DINOs! They're not really Democrats! (2.00 / 0)

And Robert Reich, who is also endorsing Obama today, is too liberal! He's a leftie freak!

Obama is too liberal! He's to the right of Hillary!

Up is down! Black is white! What else do I have left to throw?


by Bob Johnson on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:48:42 PM EST

Re: They're DINOs! They're not really Democrats! (none / 0)

Riech has been in Obama's pocket long before now. Who is going to endorse next, Michelle?


by americanincanada on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:14:00 PM EST
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For what it is worth (none / 0)

Rep. Dan Boren (OK), an undelcared superdelegate, is the son of David Boren.


We don't need a thinker. We need a doer: someone who'll act without considering the consequences. (H.J. Simpson)
by Newcomer on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 01:57:25 PM EST

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Have to say these two have always been amoung my least favorite Democrats. Kind of a strange pick-up for someone posing as the progressive in the race, but I suppose the "reaching out to conservatives" mime kicks in here. And Robert Reich today too. The Obama administration is starting to look like the who's who of the really awful Democrats.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:18:30 PM EST

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And along comes media freeze to denounce liberals/conservatives, in fact anyone who doesn't support Hillary. You've been predicted up thread.

What's it like to be so predictable? Maybe it's easier to live by knee jerk reflexes. I don't know. But thanks for conforming to stereotype


by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 02:23:45 PM EST
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All I said is that I've never been very impressed with Nunn or Boren.

Have you?


by MediaFreeze on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:07:57 PM EST
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That's NOT all you said. Far from it. But according to my friend who works with Nunn, yes, he's old school but honourable.

Nunn has different politics to me, and is by no means a political hero, but the Clintons used to be, and see how they've behaved


by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:42:50 PM EST
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"the really awful Democrats..."...?  And they would be whom...?  Are you referring to all of the Democrats who have endorsed Obama or just some of them...?  I'm curious.


Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain...
by JenKinFLA on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 03:03:05 PM EST
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Re: Nunn and Boren back Obama (none / 0)

Just some of them.

I still like Kennedy for instance.


by MediaFreeze on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 06:08:44 PM EST
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Beware Establishment Trojan Horses (none / 0)

Ha, Sam Nunn and Boren, big time Clinton haters and virtual Republicans, and most definitely DINO's. They are also two of the most unimaginative and dull-minded men who seek intellectual shelter and staus in traditionalist center right ideas that are firmly Republican staus quo. So much for turning the page, this is ripping out future chapters and going backwards. Obama progressives must be happy! My betting is, that,  just as the dynamic duo of Boren and Nunn tried push rightward Bill Clinton's agenda, they will have their hooks into Obama good and early to make sure he does not drift anywhere but to the right. The establishment Trojan horses are moving into place. They will have the last laugh.


by superetendar on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:01:36 PM EST

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But I thought Obama was too liberal and elitist to capture the southern vote. Duh. I'm so confused. Is he too radical and grass roots and separatist? Or too corporate and centrist and establishment?

Go figure


by brit on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 07:30:25 PM EST
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Oh that's way too simple an asessment!  Obama is the perfect post-modern amoral politician. He epitomizes that post-modern cliche that sees the world no longer in terms of either/or but in terms of the luxury of being BOTH/AND.  He is both black and white, black when it suits (rev. Wright) but also post-racial and transcendent when it suits. He is a concillator who has no deeply fixed views. He is interested in the plight of the poor as an academic problem, but he is also seduced by money, power and position. He has no appetite for political conflict, and will fight ONLY when his person or ego is attacked. His leadership style is pure "muddle through, and split the difference."  I suspect the competing tensions of his bi-racial identities further exacerbate and embody Obama's style of passive/agressive engagement.

I expect the minute Obama sits in the Oval office, the grey establishment men from the Treasury will show him the real economic figures, he will be stunned and then meekly put those healthcare plans and whatever else reform plans on hold. Boren and Nunn will be there to pat him on the back while suggesting he keep Bush's tax cuts permanent, big pharma will smile and progressives?  Obama will be easily rolled. Similarly, in foreign policy, the Iranians sensing his conflict aversion will go, full speed ahead to enrich uranium night and day, unafraid of a humbled and compulsively genial I-wanna-be-loved-by-you American leader, an ambitious Indnia, Russia and China will be pushing further into the Middle East, Eurasian and African markets with impunity.  I suspect that Obama will be the Gorbachev of our slowly declining superpower, a man everone will be delighted to do business with and take to the cleaners. His passivity and concillator's vanity will enable the whole crumbling superpower edifice to come crashing down and he will hated for hastening the end of our American superpower as we have known it since World War II. The most interesting question is who will be America's Putin?  Who will rebuild after the empire? Don't count Hillary out yet. 2012 looks more interesting by the day.


by superetendar on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:04:27 PM EST
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"But I thought Obama was too liberal and elitist to capture the southern vote. Duh. I'm so confused. Is he too radical and grass roots and separatist? Or too corporate and centrist and establishment?"--BRIT

Oh that's way too simple an asessment!  Obama is the perfect post-modern amoral politician. He epitomizes that post-modern cliche that sees the world no longer in terms of either/or but in terms of being BOTH/AND.  He is BOTH black AND white, black when it suits (rev. Wright) but also post-racial and transcendent when it suits. He is a concillator who has no deeply fixed views, his only reference point is himself. He is BOTH interested in the plight of the poor as an academic problem, AND he is also seduced by money, power and position. He has no appetite for political conflict, and will fight ONLY when his person or ego is attacked. His leadership style is BOTH "muddle through," AND split the difference.  I suspect the competing tensions of his bi-racial identities further exacerbate and embody Obama's style of passive/agressive engagement.

I expect the minute Obama sits in the Oval office, the grey establishment men from the Treasury will show him the real economic figures, he will be stunned and then meekly put those healthcare plans and whatever else reform plans on hold. Boren and Nunn will be there to pat him on the back while suggesting he keep Bush's tax cuts permanent in this economic emergency, big pharma will smile and progressives?  Obama will be easily rolled. Similarly, in foreign policy, the Iranians sensing his conflict aversion will go, full speed ahead to enrich uranium night and day, unafraid of a humbled and compulsively genial "I-wanna-be-loved-by-you" American leader, an ambitious India, Russia and China will be pushing further into the Middle East, Eurasian and African markets with impunity.  

I suspect that Obama will be the Gorbachev of our slowly declining superpower, a new man for our times whom everyone will be delighted to do business with and take to the cleaners. Obama's passivity and concillatory vanity will weaken the whole crumbling superpower edifice and it will come crashing down. Like Gorbachev's hastening of Russia's unintended consequences, Obama will be hated for hastening the end of our American superpower as we have known it since World War II. The most interesting question is who will be America's Putin?  Who will rebuild after the empire? Don't count Hillary out yet. 2012 looks more interesting by the day.


by superetendar on Fri Apr 18, 2008 at 10:17:43 PM EST
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Fascinating analysis. I'm party convinced too about the Hegemon in decline theme as well. You have to remember that my mother's generation saw Britain decline from global empire in the 20s (with almost a quarter of the world's landmass) to the rump post colonial kingdom of the 70s, with internal civil war in Northern Ireland, and almost Scotland.

You need great leaders to manage the post imperial moment. You cite Gorbachev. I'd put Churchill in that category, because he basically sacrificed the empire to fight fascism in Europe (Hitler and Halifax would have done a deal to leave the British empire intact). I would put De Klerk in that category too. There's a brilliant essay, about ten years old, by Hans Magnus Enzensberger about 'leaders of decline'. I'll see if I can dig out the title (His more recent essay on terrorism 'Radical Losers' is a masterpiece)

I happen to think Obama is best equipped to manage the US's change of status to first among equals rather than the single hegemon. But it's very dangerous moment. Weimar Germany and Putin's Russia come very much to mind.

Thanks for some really thoughtful input. A rarity on this site


by brit on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:10:37 AM EST
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Thanks for citing Enzensberger. I will definitely look it up. Having lived in London during the 70s, I agree with you about  this period being the end bracket on an exhausted British empire. Who can forget watching the steady decline of the Pound in those years? Or Healy negotiating with the IMF to keep Britain afloat. Though I'm not an economist, and I'm wary of comparisons, it all feels eerily familiar to me in terms of what's going on with the dollar not to mention the undercurrent of malaise. The fascinating and one of my favorite French writer's Emmanuel Todd (After The Empire) is so far eerily right on track in his assessment of America's decline to first among equals status, as you put it.

You're so right too about this being a dangerous moment for us. Weimar Germany in particular has resonance. Unfortunately we disagree about who is "best equipped to manage the US's change of status." Obama is not a manager, or, let me put it this way, I have not seen anything that would lead me to believe that Obama can steadily manage the transformation of this hydra-headed behemoth of a country.  

To entrust any leader with the sad act of having to essentially crash land your country in order to save it, there needs to be some concrete basis on which to get the passengers to come aboard. Hillary Clinton, fair or not has the Clinton brand of economic competence, plus her discernible  strengths as a fighter, or an advocate for America. McCain is selling himself as having sacrificed himself for his country once, and willing to do it again. On what basis will the American people (not just liberals & African Americans) trust Obama to crash land us? I don't see anything concrete there, save for Obama using his race as a symbolic currency of change. Is this enough? Its rather like printing up new bank notes, but even already Obama inflation is setting in. With no perceived concrete achievements to fall back on, his currency is not backed by anything and Republican's are gearing up to make a run on Obama symbolic currency.

Note too that Churchill and De Klerk were conservatives selected and entrusted with the task of their nation's creative destruction. Conservatives tend to make a great show of their fidelity to country (Churchill through the monarchy and war hero status) and therefore their unquestioned patriotism allows them substantial reserves of trust. Non-conservatives, like Gorbachev, have to be recognized as competent managers or skilled technocrats. Who will American's pick to mange the end as you so aptly put it? I just don't think Obama can do it. And my general thesis is that it will end badly if he tries.

One last thing, I must say, having lived in three different countries, I have never witnessed a political candidate with such limited experience being given the reigns of his or her country at such a perilous time. David Cameron has had to prove his mettle, Tony Blair had to break the Labour party before having a go at running Britain, even David Miliband decided to take a stab at the FO first. Much as I'd love to be proved otherwise, I feel that Obama has too little experience and in my humble opinion, none of the personality traits needed to run a volatile and mecurial superpower like America in its current state.

I look forward to more dialog as things progress. As I suspect you know all too well that we are in for a ride of a lifetime.


by superetendar on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:03:32 PM EST
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Well, your insights are based on a lot of experience and we can agree on a lot - if not the ideal democratic candidate.

Blair was young and fairly untested when he got into power - but that was part of his attraction. He had run the labour party for three years, but what Obama has done in the last two years running for presidency, the way he has set up his campaign and energised the base as well as new voters, I think even supporters of other candidates can admire that. I also happen to think his unique mix of identity (my sister in law is Kenyan) and rare eloquence will help manage that transition. I think he motivates a lot of internationally minded people who are more interest in global issues rather than nationalist power.

But I would say that wouldn't I?

We'll see. As you rightly say, rocky days ahead. For my own part, as well as deep connections in the US (I've lived, worked, married there) I believe this election will have more importance for my children that any domestic UK election I can imagine. The US is the worst superpower in the world - except for all the others.

Best wishes


by brit on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:34:11 PM EST
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