The Death of Hope: the Atlantic Depression could spread

Mea culpa. My bad. I prematurely wrote a diary What happened to the MYDD Cesspool of Hate celebrating the fact that democratic principles had triumphed over candidate partisanship. After all, we're constantly told that on policies there's not much to separate the candidates. Noted Hillary and Obama supporters were suddenly being nice to each other.

And then along came the Nixonian moment. The 1950s Checkers moment: Liberals wear fur coats/drink lattes/are elitist/condescend to poor voters. This is an old republican meme, and last used by George W, the good ole boy you want to have a beer with, the 'I'm not afraid to be stupid' MAD candidate. And what happens?

Had Hillary been subjected to some bitch/witch attack by Republicans, you can bet that just like in the 90s, I would rally round. McCain gets in there, trying the old wedge divisions. And what does Hillary do...?

She plays the Nixonian moment. She does a speech which mentions America so many times, she effectively accuses Obama of being UnAmerican...

Meanwhile back on MYDD...

The intolerance grows. In recent weeks I've been threatened with violence (an Irish cudgel), told to f??k off several times, and even more recently been told that, as a British citizen, I have no place here. These things I expect from Republican sites. But from MYDD where I have been a member for four years?

I'm not even going to bother with the ad hominems and explain my deep American roots. But I will say this. I'm worried and depressed. Having exhausted racism and religion, this last moment, exploiting class envy among DEMOCRATS, seems to be the end game. And when I mean end game, I'm not talking about the primary chances for Obama to win: but for the US to get itself back where it belongs - as a world leader. As a beacon of hope. Unless something happens soon

This will be the death of hope

You guys know better than I what a parlous position the US is in, economically and strategically. I'll just say Credit Crunch and Iraq. Throughout my lifetime, for good and ill, the US has been the source of a lot of my best friends, ideas, inspiration, even a wife. But it's getting dark now.

Back to the Elitist Liberal accusation. My suspicion is this is the endgame. There are very few strategies left to knock Obama off his pedestal. The cult thing was big when the first Hope speeches kicked in. Then Wright worked for a while, and that was essentially the 'scary black guy' worry.

Of course, Hillary is only using this line of attack because Obama offered an opening. But it is a bit bizarre (Obama is less privileged than HRC or McCain) and it is essentially a modern version of the Checkers speech - Democrats are elitist, wealthy and privileged. Having seen some Hillary supporters trying to mend fences, it's very hard for Obama supporters not to feel that the joint Hillary/McCain attack just feeds a form of republican intolerance, of wedge issues and the politics of personal destruction. I can see why some Obama supporters are very angry just now (just as Hillary supporters have been) - and it really makes me think that Democrats are close to losing the GE. The divisiveness is now really damaging. But for a Brit, this has many repercussions.

By force or imitation, US politics tends to get exported throughout the world. And certainly we've emulated you in the UK: this desire to have someone different, and yet to also knock and denigrate their difference. It's a bit like celebrities. Build them up and then knock them down. Hillary is a victim of this in some way, but she's so experienced she's used to it. But to my mind, the idea that every candidate has to shoot a gun and clutch the bible is deeply depressing.

This Atlantic depression tends to spread across the world because it is precisely this aspect of the US, it's potential insularity and self obsession, which scares us.

Bush is a prime example of what happens when xenophobia, and celebration of ignorance and good ol' boy politics takes hold. Reverend Wright says 'Goddam America' and I feel sometimes that the kind of voter who would be offended by bittergate is exactly the voter who says 'Goddam the World!'

So what am I left with? Democrats saying Obama is unelectable. So called Democrats who say F**k you. And then a republican party ten times worse. And this from the world's sole remaining superpower.



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Re: The Death of Hope: the Atlantic Depression (2.00 / 2)

There is HOPE Brother (or Sister).

We will KUMBAYA in Denver.

MyDD is a SMALL fraction of the larger political arena.


NO 100 year WAR, NO McConnell run Senate, & NO GOP-led Supreme Court!!!
by Veteran75 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:53:15 PM EST

Re: The Death of Hope: the Atlantic Depression (2.00 / 1)

Thanks man. Wish I could vote. Wish I could contribute money. But your words give me hope.


by brit on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 02:55:44 PM EST
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Re: The Death of Hope: the Atlantic Depression (2.00 / 2)

And thank goodness that is only a small fraction of the larger political arena. From what I've seen from postings/comments, it seems like a few Dem's have utilized the GOP warfare arsenal in here against anyone who doesn't support HRC.

I'm in Hill's demographic - White, female, middle-class.  Doesn't mean I'm in her camp.  
If she does pull some voodoo and gets the nomination, I guess I'll suck it up and vote for her.  I guess there are lots of dirty jobs that people hold there nose and do regardless.  Voting for Hillary would be one I'd have to hold my nose to do.      

Cause I sure as shoot wouldn't vote for McBushie.  


by RoccoCobamaMama on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:02:22 PM EST
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Re: The Death of Hope: the Atlantic Depression (2.00 / 0)

Argh, a lovely post ruined by my lack of editing.  THEIR noses.  Sigh.


by RoccoCobamaMama on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:03:38 PM EST
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Re: The Death of Hope: the Atlantic Depression (2.00 / 0)

Exactly. There are a lot of passionate extremists in the blogosphere, but most people aren't like this. The blogs reflect the political climate to some extent, but they magnify and blow things out of proportion even worse than the MSM. We are definitely a tiny fraction of the political arena.
Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:23:46 PM EST
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brit, join our party in other diary (2.00 / 1)

Hillary is throwing back a shot and I think you should too :)


by catfish1 on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:04:22 PM EST

Re: brit, join our party in other diary (2.00 / 0)

Thanks man. I saw the picture. And read how he daddy told her how to shoot. Maybe that was why she was afraid of snipers?


by brit on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:16:53 PM EST
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The voters of Kentucky (2.00 / 1)

Need to know of Hillary's habit of drinking canadian whiskey and not Kentucky bourban whiskey.
;)

Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:21:17 PM EST
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Re: The voters of Kentucky (2.00 / 0)

Worse than Naftagate. Greygoosegate or whatever it is those canadians drink.


by brit on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:22:35 PM EST
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Relax. (2.00 / 1)

This isn't the ending of anything. These are the paroxysms of the dying Clinton campaign being mirrored in the frantic Hail Mary shots of her most hardcore supporters.

Real Democrats are aghast at the rightwing froth being kicked up. Real republicans don't for an instant buy Hillary as the Joan of Arc of the Second Amendment.

It will end at the debate on Wednesday.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:06:46 PM EST

Re: Relax. (2.00 / 1)

No, I don't think it's the end. I'm just trying to explain to some of the more reasonable Hillary supporters that this line of attack 'will be the end of hope' for people across the world who still see in the US the capacity for an open minded and relatively benign hegemon. This election is incredibly important, especially for my kids. And all the trolls can do is imitate fighting cats. It's depressing when that happens. But a lot of the fightback is inspiring.

If I could shame just one person, one democrat, to think what they're doing when they play this kind of partisan game, then it will be worthwhile. And its always good to hear voices like yours which give me optimism


by brit on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:20:26 PM EST
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Heh. (none / 0)

I hate to break this to you, but shame as a motivating factor for some of the folks you're talking about does not seem promising. Once someone starts approvingly citing Fox Noise, Jonah Goldberg, Free Republic, that kind of stuff, they are beyond shame.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:24:45 PM EST
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Re: Heh. (none / 0)

I know. But there are some in the middle, mentioning no names, who have been disgusted by this turn, even if they are Hillary supporters. And they can be appealed to.

The rest will reveal themselves for who they really are.


by brit on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:30:04 PM EST
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Indeed. (2.00 / 1)

I get the impression, though, that moderate Clinton supporters have been frozen out here pretty much as effectively as everyone else, with the exception of Alegre, who's a good egg in my book. The volume is being driven by people I described above.


"This election is not about ideology, it's about competence." -Michael Dukakis
by MBNYC on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:39:28 PM EST
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Re: Indeed. (2.00 / 1)

True. Alegre loves Hillary but will support the Democratic nominee even if it's Obama. Alegre strikes me as an excellent sort of person who's wrapped up in partisanship, just like many of the rest of us.
Even John McCain lusts after teh engels.
by sricki on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 04:20:26 PM EST
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Re: Your Cats Are Under My Window (none / 0)

Pfffsst!!

Pfsssfffsstt!!!


by johnnygunn on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:08:53 PM EST

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Brit:

You're a credit to the site, and near as I can tell, humanity.  My sincere hope is that the crazy vitriol we see here on a daily basis will eventually succumb from whence it came once the primary is over, and Obama has secured the nomination.

It's hard to bear, but hang in there.  Always darkest before the dawn.


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:23:57 PM EST

Re: The Death of Hope (none / 0)

I know, man. And you and your friends who stay here fighting the good fight are a credit to your country. And I still believe in you guys, despite everything.


by brit on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:31:03 PM EST
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Re: The Death of Hope (none / 0)

Thanks!


Unseen, in the background, Fate was quietly slipping the lead into the boxing glove.
by fogiv on Sun Apr 13, 2008 at 03:58:36 PM EST
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